Comments on: Ecuador - State Sponsor of Terrorism? http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/ Ultimate South America travel tips on hotels, flights, destinations, holiday types, beaches and more. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:13:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: admin http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1155 admin Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:28:23 +0000 http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1155 We'll agree to disagree then Adam. By all means carry on the debate at http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/does-ecuador-sponsor-terrorism/ .... I'm off travelling for 6 weeks.... We’ll agree to disagree then Adam. By all means carry on the debate at http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/does-ecuador-sponsor-terrorism/ …. I’m off travelling for 6 weeks….

]]> By: Adam http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1154 Adam Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:56:09 +0000 http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1154 Articles out of date??? Article 1 2008 Article 2 2009 Article 3 2001? Article 5 2007 Article 6 2007 Article 7 2002 or 2003 You say take Noam Chomsky with a pinch of salt, what about the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal? And if you like reading chomsky mabye you should look at "manufacturing consent", maybe you might see it as out of date, but relevant I think to todays media and their connection to large corporate interests. You are jumping to conclusions and pointing the finger at Ecuador as being a "state sponsor of terrorism" but if you research US foreign policy or Colombian gov support for paramilitaries (who according to the Colombian Commission of Jurists commit 70% of the atrocities) you will see that it is hypocritical to say we should boycott visting Ecuador and not the US or Colombia. The point is that there is alot of right wing propaganda designed to undermine governments hostile to the business interests of the elite, regardless if they are democratically elected or not. Unfortunately most of the large foreign media have distorted the positive work and intentions of the Correa government that tend to serve the interests of the poor rather than the elite, instead trying to falsely portray Correa as some sort of crazy dictator, when he is in fact a highly intelligent academic and economist with good intentions. Researching the matter people can make up their own minds Articles out of date???
Article 1 2008
Article 2 2009
Article 3 2001?
Article 5 2007
Article 6 2007
Article 7 2002 or 2003
You say take Noam Chomsky with a pinch of salt, what about the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal? And if you like reading chomsky mabye you should look at “manufacturing consent”, maybe you might see it as out of date, but relevant I think to todays media and their connection to large corporate interests.

You are jumping to conclusions and pointing the finger at Ecuador as being a “state sponsor of terrorism” but if you research US foreign policy or Colombian gov support for paramilitaries (who according to the Colombian Commission of Jurists commit 70% of the atrocities) you will see that it is hypocritical to say we should boycott visting Ecuador and not the US or Colombia. The point is that there is alot of right wing propaganda designed to undermine governments hostile to the business interests of the elite, regardless if they are democratically elected or not.

Unfortunately most of the large foreign media have distorted the positive work and intentions of the Correa government that tend to serve the interests of the poor rather than the elite, instead trying to falsely portray Correa as some sort of crazy dictator, when he is in fact a highly intelligent academic and economist with good intentions. Researching the matter people can make up their own minds

]]> By: admin http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1153 admin Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:44:47 +0000 http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1153 Thanks for the links Adam - I found them interesting reading, though nothing particularly new for me. To be honest, a lot of those articles are rather out of date, and relate to the Colombia of many years ago rather than the Colombia of present. There's no doubt that a lot of the "old school" Colombian politicians have a rather murky past - but to suggest that there is now top level (Colombian) government complicity in terrorism and drug trafficking is rather absurd. On the other hand, to suggest that there is currently top level Ecuadorean involvement with the FARC is rather easier, as proved by the authorative links I've provided. Lets talk about now, not 5/10/20 years ago - Colombia has had a terrible past, one that it is only just beginning to shake off. You haven't actually suggested any authorative sources/links there - a few of the authors (especially the first one) are so uninformed I find it offensive. While I do appreciate that Noam Chomsky always raises many fascinating and interesting points (I love his books - especially Failed States) - I hope you realise that you've got to take his articles along with a large pinch of salt - he's hardly the most balanced of commentators. Thanks for the links Adam - I found them interesting reading, though nothing particularly new for me. To be honest, a lot of those articles are rather out of date, and relate to the Colombia of many years ago rather than the Colombia of present. There’s no doubt that a lot of the “old school” Colombian politicians have a rather murky past - but to suggest that there is now top level (Colombian) government complicity in terrorism and drug trafficking is rather absurd. On the other hand, to suggest that there is currently top level Ecuadorean involvement with the FARC is rather easier, as proved by the authorative links I’ve provided. Lets talk about now, not 5/10/20 years ago - Colombia has had a terrible past, one that it is only just beginning to shake off. You haven’t actually suggested any authorative sources/links there - a few of the authors (especially the first one) are so uninformed I find it offensive. While I do appreciate that Noam Chomsky always raises many fascinating and interesting points (I love his books - especially Failed States) - I hope you realise that you’ve got to take his articles along with a large pinch of salt - he’s hardly the most balanced of commentators.

]]> By: Adam http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1148 Adam Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:37:34 +0000 http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1148 <p>Heres a few for you just to start:</p> <p>zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/18642<br /> ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46600<br /> colombiasupport.net/200004/znet-chomsky-0424.html<br /> redpepper.org.uk/Sans-titre</p> <p>I suggest swallowing your pride Chris and realise at the very least that there is alot more to it than the articles you refer to suggest.</p> # And another www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/14562 “can you help me there? I’d really like to see some evidence of Uribe’s governments involvement in terrorism and drug trafficking” http://www.wola.org/media/Feb%202007%20Para%20Demob%20Update.pdf And here some general background you could well do to read http://www.utdallas.edu/~pineres/Drugs,%20Violence%20and%20Development%20in%20Colombia%20with%20maps.pdf Heres a few for you just to start:

zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/18642
ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46600
colombiasupport.net/200004/znet-chomsky-0424.html
redpepper.org.uk/Sans-titre

I suggest swallowing your pride Chris and realise at the very least that there is alot more to it than the articles you refer to suggest.

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And another
www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/14562

“can you help me there? I’d really like to see some evidence of Uribe’s governments involvement in terrorism and drug trafficking”

http://www.wola.org/media/Feb%202007%20Para%20Demob%20Update.pdf

And here some general background you could well do to read

http://www.utdallas.edu/~pineres/Drugs,%20Violence%20and%20Development%20in%20Colombia%20with%20maps.pdf

]]> By: admin http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1147 admin Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:37:43 +0000 http://bigtravelweb.com/travel/2009/07/20/ecuador-state-sponsor-of-terrorism/#comment-1147 Adam, you say "do some research and see how the paramilitary and government of Colombia is just as heavily involved" in drug trafficking and terrorism - can you help me there? I'd really like to see some evidence of Uribe's governments involvement in terrorism and drug trafficking. "Correa does not support FARC" - you clearly haven't read the Wall Street journal article I've linked to above. Read it - it provides strong evidence that Correa & Ecuador do indeed support the FARC. Encouraging the international community to grant "belligerent status"(ie. International legitimacy), is a means of supporting & helping the FARC. Just because Ecuador went and dismantled a couple of FARC camps a few days after the Colombian raid into Ecuador's terrority doesn't mean that they pro-actively do much about these camps normally. What a publicity stunt - you're the one falling for the propaganda I would suggest. Adam,

you say “do some research and see how the paramilitary and government of Colombia is just as heavily involved” in drug trafficking and terrorism - can you help me there? I’d really like to see some evidence of Uribe’s governments involvement in terrorism and drug trafficking.

“Correa does not support FARC” - you clearly haven’t read the Wall Street journal article I’ve linked to above. Read it - it provides strong evidence that Correa & Ecuador do indeed support the FARC. Encouraging the international community to grant “belligerent status”(ie. International legitimacy), is a means of supporting & helping the FARC. Just because Ecuador went and dismantled a couple of FARC camps a few days after the Colombian raid into Ecuador’s terrority doesn’t mean that they pro-actively do much about these camps normally. What a publicity stunt - you’re the one falling for the propaganda I would suggest.

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